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Polete85 · Aug 6, 2018

Piesdefuego said: ↑

Como te dicen por ahi... la norco esta muy bien, pero en 27,5" mejor.
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Tambien te puedes comprar un DVD para ver pelis...

xixopelot · Aug 6, 2018

Ufff demasiado cuento pera leer..
Nos sintetizas ?
Mejor aún , tu hermano que opina ?

inaxganja0046 · Aug 6, 2018

Polete85 said: ↑

Pues hablando de bicis de enduro de menos de 4500€ y de la norco...

Buying a new bike is a lot like dating: at first, everything looks good through rose-tinted glasses, your brain is flooded with dopamine, and you couldn’t be happier. But after a few weeks or months, you might start to become disillusioned – you’re just not right for each other. To help you find “the one”, we put eight exciting new bikes under € 4,500 head-to-head.

Admittedly, € 4,500 is a lot of money, and if you’re putting that much cash on the table, you rightfully expect a brilliant bike in return. The good news is that if you make the right decision, you’ll have the time of your life. If you’re not careful, though, it won’t be happy ever after. The differences in handling, componentry, geometry and weight of the bikes in this group test are enormous.

The test fleet
Bike Price Weight Travel Wheel size
COMMENCAL META AM 29 Team Replica € 3,899 15.88 kg 170/160 mm 29″
CUBE Stereo 150 C:68 TM 29 € 4,499 14.06 kg 160/150 mm 29″
Giant Reign SX € 3,799 15.10 kg 170/160 mm 27,5″
Norco Range C3 29 € 4,199 14.82 kg 160/150 mm 29″
Nukeproof Mega 290 Factory € 3,800 14.80 kg 160/155 mm 29″
ROSE Pikes Peak 2 EN € 4,306 13.26 kg 160/165 mm 27,5″
Trek Slash 9.7 € 3,999 14.60 kg 160/150 mm 29″
YT CAPRA 29 CF PRO € 4,299 13.96 kg 160/160 mm 29″

COMMENCAL META AM 29 Team Replica | 15.88 kg | € 3,899

CUBE Stereo 150 C:68 TM 29 | 14.06 kg | € 4,499

Giant Reign SX | 15.10 kg | € 3,799

Norco Range C3 29 | 14.82 kg | € 4,199

Nukeproof Mega 290 Factory | 14.80 kg | € 3,800

ROSE Pikes Peak 2 EN | 13.26 kg | € 4,306

Trek Slash 9.7 | 14.60 kg | € 3,999

YT CAPRA 29 CF PRO | 13.96 kg | € 4,299
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A mí la Cube Stereo me la pone palote. Muy bien montada por el precio.

Polete85 · Aug 6, 2018

inaxganja0046 said: ↑

A mí la Cube Stereo me la pone palote. Muy bien montada por el precio.
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Si mola si...

La Rose Pikes Peak esa tambien me llama la atencion bastante la verdad.

mongrel · Aug 6, 2018

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Be careful before committing yourself
What are the bikes’ strengths and weaknesses? To find out, we rode each one extensively on our home trails in the alpine terrain on the foothills of the Alps and then analysed them in direct comparison in beautiful Sesto in South Tyrol for several days. Back-to-back testing on the same trail showed the differences between the bikes most clearly. While some bikes, such as the YT CAPRA, are agile and nimble, others, such as the Giant Reign, require a lot of input from the rider. The same applies to composure in the rough and suspension performance. You can read how the bikes fared in the individual reviews.

Tinder vs flirting at the bar
While some have been looking for romance on the internet for some time now, more and more of us are going online to buy new bikes. The advantage: due to the omission of a sales rep (the dealer) it’s possible for many manufacturers to offer their bikes at lower prices or with a significantly better spec. In this group test, the ROSE PIKES PEAK and the YT CAPRA CF Pro clearly underline this. The componentry on the COMMENCAL META AM 29 left nothing to be desired either. However, some details on the standard bike build differ slightly from that of our test bike (drivetrain and brakes). But there are exceptions: CUBE managed to put together a fantastic build on the brand new Stereo 150 C:68 TM 29 in spite of going through a dealer network. It’s the only bike in the test field that features the new FOX 36 FLOAT Factory with Grip 2 damping, out of the box. The Trek Slash 9.7 with its carbon frame, on the other hand, features entry-level components. We were particularly disappointed with the SRAM NX drivetrain and 11-42 cassette, which limited the bike’s climbing performance. Despite their direct sales model, the Nukeproof Mega doesn’t feature the best drivetrain either (Shimano XT with 11-42 cassette) but otherwise impresses with a good choice of components.

What counts are the inner values
Unfortunately, it isn’t possible to judge how well a bike rides simply by looking at the spec or by examining the geometry table. As with every new love interest, true character traits only become apparent after a few dates/test-rides. The Trek Slash is a perfect example. Despite having the cheapest spec in the test field, it was the bike with the best rear end performance. The Norco Range, on the other hand, with its poison-green DVO suspension, looks extremely fast and potent, but despite having great geometry, the suspension is overdamped, and the brakes lack power.

It’s not always easy…
…especially going uphill. The bikes in this group test are designed primarily for maximum downhill fun, and they’ve put on a bit of weight to achieve this. By far the heaviest bike amongst them is the COMMENCAL META AM 29, weighing a full 15.88 kg. Thanks to the central seating position and the efficient rear end, however, it climbs better than you would expect. The ROSE PIKES PEAK at 13.26 kg is 2.62 kg lighter, but due to its slack seat tube angle (especially in the slack PROGEO position), your weight is much further above the rear wheel resulting in less efficient pedalling. We recommended pushing the saddle very far forward to compensate for the seat tube angle.

On some bikes, the design of the seat tube means seated position for riders with long legs and long seat posts change enormously with the dropper fully extended. The seat tube angle slackens out the most on the Trek Slash. The difference of the seat tube angle from the horizontal position of the saddle at the height of the head tube to an extension of approx. 75 cm (centre bottom bracket to centre saddle rail) is 1.3°. With bikes like this we recommend pushing the saddle far forward for more balanced weight distribution on the climbs.
With some modifications, we managed to comfortably get to the top of the trailhead with all of the bikes in the group test, however.
The best climbers were the CUBE Stereo and the YT CAPRA; the latter slowed down somewhat by its grippy tyres.

Balance is decisive
All of us have dreamed of being a rock star, constantly having wild parties, but to be pragmatic, we often need a little more consistency and reliability in our life. The same applies to bike geometry. Some bikes, like the ROSE, resemble a mosh pit at a punk rock concert. It’s a lot of fun, screaming for high speed and super loose and direct – but it requires a very experienced rider and constant vigilance. Those who don’t have the technique or the strength will be quickly overwhelmed. The Nukeproof Mega, for example, shows how it’s done. The chainstays are anything but stubby (450 mm), which on paper suggests that the bike will be sluggish. But once on the trail, it impresses with a very balanced ride quality, and thanks to the active suspension with a lot of pop, it is lively, direct and easy to manoeuvre despite its length.

Tops & Flops
Often small details can make a huge difference: seamless integration, first-class ergonomics and carefully selected parts. Easier said than done – here are some of the tops and flops from this grouptest.

Tops

Smooth
The new RockShox Lyrik RC2 on the COMMENCAL META inspires with an extremely sensitive response and a lot of support. And the setup is quick and easy – perfect!

The straight-A student
The rear end of the Trek Slash is in a class of its own. It sensitively filters out the smallest bumps, offers sufficient reserves and provides good feedback.

Simple and effective
We aren’t fans of geometry adjustment, but the flip-switch on ROSE PIKES PEAK is so fast and uncomplicated that we were happy to use it for climbing

Perfect throughout
The spec on the YT CAPRA left nothing to be desired. The mix of Shimano drivetrain with E*Thirteen cassettes works flawlessly. You don’t have to change anything on this bike. Unpack it, and you’re ready to go!
Flops

Crowded
The cockpit of the Giant is crowded, all those cables rattling when you’re going downhill. The gear indicator on the SLX shifter is completely unnecessary too.

Not enough

The gear range on the Nukeproof Mega is too small. Long uphills become a test of strength. We, therefore, recommend replacing the 11-42T cassette with an 11-46T version.

Overwhelmed
The SRAM Guide brakes with 180 mm rotors quickly become overwhelmed on a potent enduro bike like this. The SRAM CODE weighs only slightly more, but offers substantially better braking power and would be our preferred choice.

On the limit
Unfortunately, the inside of the seat tube on our test bike wasn’t smoothed out all the way down so that we couldn’t get the seat post in far enough. However, CUBE has announced that it will improve this and fix the problem on the production bikes.

The best bike for a happy relationship
None of the bikes disappointed us completely. But some of them have obvious weaknesses, while others were wholly convincing. The Giant Reign SX scores with a high degree of stability and good-natured handling, but it looks outdated, and even with the small 27.5″ wheels it still feels cumbersome. The brand-new CUBE Stereo offers an impressive list of components, and its playful and direct, but it lacks composure on really rough tracks, lagging behind the competition. It is a good all-rounder, and it’s guaranteed to garner many fans, but unfortunately, the workmanship on our test bike couldn’t convince us.
Where the CUBE needs to slow down, the COMMENCAL META AM 29 shines. It’s a bike for the meanest trails and doesn’t feel sluggish despite the enormous amount of composure it offers. For many riders though, it would be overkill requiring a lot of rider input on flat, flowing trails.

The Norco Range impresses with outstanding, super balanced geometry, making the bike very easy to ride and inspiring a lot of confidence on rough trails. However, it’s also a bit unresponsive and limited by the overdamped suspension as well as poorly performing brakes. The ROSE PIKES PEAK is a fantastic bike with a brilliant rear linkage, easy geometry adjustment and laugh-out-loud handling. On the flip side, it requires an experienced rider and an active riding style – beginners will be overwhelmed by this monster. The Trek Slash is a completely different story: thanks to the comparatively short front triangle, it’s agile, and yet it will hold it’s line through the nastiest rock garden without flinching thanks to the performance of the rear suspension combined with the slack head tube angle. However, the entry-level spec doesn’t do the beautiful carbon frame justice. Before buying this bike, you should take into account the expensive upgrades you will have to make.

The Nukeproof Mega 290 Factory isn’t perfect considering the low gear range of the Shimano XT drivetrain, but a broader range cassette is relatively affordable and thanks to the low price you’ll have some money left in your budget. Otherwise, the bike inspires with incredibly balanced, confidence inspiring and agile handling. The long frame gives the rider plenty of room to throw their weight around, and even the wildest trails start to look tame. That’s not to say you can’t have a lot of fun with the bike on easy, less demanding trails. The Nukeproof Mega 290 is a bike that will take a beating and promises to put a smile on your face for a long time, thus securing our coveted best value tip.

Best in test – YT CAPRA 29 CF PRO

Best value – Nukeproof Mega 290 Factory
However, there was one bike the competition couldn’t touch. No manufacturer can match YT’s new CAPRA CF Pro. You’re guaranteed a good time, no matter where or how you choose to ride it. Whether you prefer tight, technical switchbacks or big hits in the bike park, this bike can do it all. Rounded off with a super clean look and well thought-out spec, the YT CAPRA CF Pro claims our best in test!

The Region
The biking region around Sesto in South Tyrol doesn’t only offer breathtaking scenery with magnificent views of the Drei Zinnen, but also trails that are guaranteed to put a smile on your face. We used the newly built Erla-Trail for our group test. For more information about the region, go to Sexten.it. For all questions about riding in the area and for guided tours, we can only recommend the Bike-Academy Sexten. And if you’re looking for a bike hotel with excellent food that knows what mountain bikers need, the Hotel Alpenblick is worth considering.
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Buen aporte y dicen cosas interesantes. Aunque yo por los parámetros que lo miden,elegiría la Slash. No tienen en cuenta el descuento de un 10/15% que siempre se consigue en Trek,con lo cual ya sería mucho más barata que las de venta online
La Cube tiene muy buena pinta y seguramente la mejor montada,pero según comentan ellos con una geometría un poco conservadora y en zonas complicadas pierde bastantes puntos,buen aporte para ellos,aunque lleves una de las mejores suspensiones del mercado,no lo es todo. En este aspecto dejan muy bien a la Trek y eso que lleva esa mierdecilla de amortiguador
Dan ganadora a la YT,al margen de precio y montaje,porque es la que mejor se comporta en todos los terrenos o más polivalente
Curioso lo que dicen de las suspensiones de la Norco,cuando es su principal baza para vender este modelo

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jillana · Aug 6, 2018

mongrel said: ↑

Buen aporte y dicen cosas interesantes. Aunque yo por los parámetros que lo miden,elegiría la Slash. No tienen en cuenta el descuento de un 10/15% que siempre se consigue en Trek,con lo cual ya sería mucho más barata que las de venta online
La Cube tiene muy buena pinta y seguramente la mejor montada,pero según comentan ellos con una geometría un poco conservadora y en zonas complicadas pierde bastantes puntos,buen aporte para ellos,aunque lleves una de las mejores suspensiones del mercado,no lo es todo. En este aspecto dejan muy bien a la Trek y eso que lleva esa mierdecilla de amortiguador
Dan ganadora a la YT,al margen de precio y montaje,porque es la que mejor se comporta en todos los terrenos o más polivalente
Curioso lo que dicen de las suspensiones de la Norco,cuando es su principal baza para vender este modelo

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Respecto a la slash, acaban de sacar la versión de aluminio con un pvp del cuadro de 2000 euros. Lo que no tengo claro es si lleva el mismo amortiguador que la versión de aluminio.

Lucas A B · Aug 6, 2018

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Vete a la norco range con dvo que le pega mil patadas a las 3 primeras y a la 4ta en muchas cosas. El pvp ofical son 4200 pero ha estas alturas del año un 10/20% es muy posible que te hagan.
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A estas alturas del año ya no hay ni van a llegar.... o la tiene alguna tienda en stock o nada(Esto me lo ha dicho hoy el distribuidor de Norco que he estado hablando con el)

inaxganja0046 said: ↑

Es más, en este foro hay una que se vende nuevecita en talla M creo recordar muy bien de precio. Y en mercadillo puroenduro (Facebook) vi el otro dia una con montaje muy bueno por menos de 3000
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La del foro es la mia pero la he retirado de la venta, ayer al revisarla para poder venderla en perfecto estado note que la horquilla tenia una pequeña holgura y se va a garantia para poder vender en perfecto estado. Pero posiblemente vuelva a poner el anuncio en cuanto este todo perfectamente.

Polete85 · Aug 6, 2018

mongrel said: ↑

Buen aporte y dicen cosas interesantes. Aunque yo por los parámetros que lo miden,elegiría la Slash. No tienen en cuenta el descuento de un 10/15% que siempre se consigue en Trek,con lo cual ya sería mucho más barata que las de venta online
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No lo tienen en cuenta, porque lo de los descuentos fijos sobre el pvp en bicicletas, solo ocurre aqui.

Santi5mc · Aug 6, 2018

Review nueva GIANT TRANCE 29 con 130/115mm

https://m.vitalmtb.com/product/guid...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=spotlight

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Santi5mc · Aug 6, 2018

Santi5mc said: ↑

Review nueva GIANT TRANCE 29 con 130/115mm

https://m.vitalmtb.com/product/guid...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=spotlight

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Review en español:
http://www.mountainbike.es/amp/giant-trance-2019-grandes-sensaciones?__twitter_impression=true

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scrat64 · Aug 6, 2018

Polete85 said: ↑

Si mola si...

La Rose Pikes Peak esa tambien me llama la atencion bastante la verdad.
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Esa que dice algo así, como que da miedo meter el dedo en el tubo superior, por el poco espesor del carbono...

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scrat64 · Aug 6, 2018

Por cierto es curioso, que la YT lleve el sillin ahí teniendo 75 o 76 de ángulo, no?

O es que nos engañan como les da la gana?

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mongrel · Aug 6, 2018

Polete85 said: ↑

No lo tienen en cuenta, porque lo de los descuentos fijos sobre el pvp en bicicletas, solo ocurre aqui.
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Me compre una bici fuera y si es cierto que en Francia no hacen descuentos pero en Italia si. En otros países ya no te puedo decir.

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inaxganja0046 · Aug 6, 2018

scrat64 said: ↑

Por cierto es curioso, que la YT lleve el sillin ahí teniendo 75 o 76 de ángulo, no?

O es que nos engañan como les da la gana?

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Quizá que tenga un reach muy largo tenga algo que ver...

mongrel · Aug 6, 2018

scrat64 said: ↑

Por cierto es curioso, que la YT lleve el sillin ahí teniendo 75 o 76 de ángulo, no?

O es que nos engañan como les da la gana?

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Pues es la segunda que mejor sube. Una cosa que si comentan que en las que tienen el ángulo de sillin tan relajado hay que poner el sillin a tope hacia delante,en la foto de la YT se puede apreciar.

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kula1994 · Aug 6, 2018

scrat64 said: ↑

Por cierto es curioso, que la YT lleve el sillin ahí teniendo 75 o 76 de ángulo, no?

O es que nos engañan como les da la gana?
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Eso es que se la dejaron a Emily Batty... ya me voy!

x1lolo · Aug 6, 2018

joselako said: ↑

Nada!
Todavía prefiero sufrir y ganarme la cerveza merecidamente al final de la ruta!
Quizá la próxima...

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Modo irónico on "Si te la vas a ganar igual pero bajando el doble de veces. " Modo irónico off

kukuxo · Aug 7, 2018

xixopelot said: ↑

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youtube... el enduro que practican algunos

scrat64 · Aug 7, 2018

inaxganja0046 said: ↑

Quizá que tenga un reach muy largo tenga algo que ver...
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mongrel said: ↑

Pues es la segunda que mejor sube. Una cosa que si comentan que en las que tienen el ángulo de sillin tan relajado hay que poner el sillin a tope hacia delante,en la foto de la YT se puede apreciar.

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No se, el reach no es una medida mas relacionada con ir de pie? 76 ya es angulo relajado?
A mi me parece mas que con esa inclinación de tubo de sillin, donde esta el sillin, ya no hay 76°, y que con esa inclinacion el top tube tambien crece rapido.
No es lo mismo 76° con un tubo muy tumbado, que 76° con un tubo mas erguido.

PD: alguien habia dicho algo seat tube angles? , perdonarme pero lo tenia que decir...

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borjafernandez12 · Aug 7, 2018

pguard said: ↑

Un cacharro que no conocia y que tiene buena pinta para los que nos gusta el silencio en la montaña

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no encontraba el mensaje.
Aqui un video de como funciona.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BkbBJa9BHZY/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=ygb70sv9bdrt

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