Zona El Castrón Btt - Tos que ye, ho!?... Esto ye una banda o qué!?

Ya me gusta la verde tambien.. malo...

 

Interesante comparativa. Las sigma no vienen, pero para tener una referencia si esta mi blackburn.... Es de las que menos alumbran.

Es impresionante las ultimas como alumbran... Y la minewt.x2 esa pa lo peque que es.

http://www.lupine.de/content/_uni/press/AMB 2007 - Wilma 6.pdf

 

El otro día compre en CHAIN un sillín WTB ROCKET STEALTH TITANIO, uno de los mejores sillines del mercado en piel y raliles de titanio, la verdad que estaba tirado de precio, en España marca como PVP: 130 Euros y allí lo tenían en oferta por 53...
¡Por supuesto los sillines volaron de Chain en pocos días!
El caso que no se lo que hice que debí de pedir dos veces el sillín y ahora tengo dos en casa...
¡Si alguien quiere uno al mismo precio, no hago la devolución a Chain!
Un saludo!
Fer.

¡¡ADJUDICADO A NESPRAL!!
2 MINUTOS ME DURÓ...

 

Lo hiciste tu o chain?, porque ***** vaya carreron llevan.

Te mandan unas maxxis de 2.5, pero bueno hombre, la medida de maxxis es mas pequeña que las de las otras marcas... Eso si, cachondos son un rato.

El precio cojonudo, pero si pagaste portes yo que tu lo vendia a 60€ que sigue siendo un precio cojonudo.

 

No pague portes, osea que por lo que lo mismo que me costo.
¡Chollo!
La verdad que no duraron ni tres días...
Un saludo!
Fer.
¿Derrapanciamos el sábado?

 

Yo curro, alguien tiene que levantar el pais mientras vosotros ahceis el canelo

 

:mrgreen:

 

como quedará eso en una bici azul?

 

bueno no, que estoy ahorrando para este

 

No te pongas asi toooontoooo. :lol:
Venga, si hace bueno, quedamos el jueves a las 9. Pero entonces yo paso de perimetralear, que se hace tarde y el viernes tengo que madrugar.

:mrgreen:

:meparto

 

le gusta la verde solamente para poder poner esos pedales atroces que tiene

 

Dudaba entre atroces y demenciales. Pero me quedo con atroces.

 

The new Cannondale Moto.​

The Moto is a 160mm travel bike designed for what Cannondale have crowbarredly called "Big Mountain" riding. We think this is a bit like All Mountain riding but with less flat bits.. or something. To better place the Moto in the MTB market it's useful to list its rivals: the Specialized Enduro, the Scott Ransom and the Trek Remedy. For those of you who know your Cannondales, the Moto was designed to ride like a Rush uphill and descend like a Perp downhill.
The designers of the Moto began with a blank canvas and started the design process by discovering and describing the type of riding the bike was going to be for and then listing what requirements would be desirable for the bike. Their key intentions were:-

• Bump response.
• Pedalling efficiency.
• Lightweight.
• Stiffness.
• Strength.
• "Hard-edged purposeful Industrail design and graphics" (aka "a distinctive and hopefully cool looking bike" )

(For that last intention we should point out that the bike in these pictures is not exactly the "looker" of the range, we'll try to source a decent pic of the black-with-red-bits Moto as soon as we can!)

All current Moto's have carbon main frames.​

The Frame
All versions of the Moto are currently carbon fibre (there is an aluminium Moto under development at the mo but it's unsure when or if it will make it into production). The main frame is a carbon fibre monocoque that requires seven bladders in its construction. The main frame and the downtube-mounted linkage are made from high modulus carbon.
The shock mount is integrated into the swingarm (as opposed to being a separate piece welded on) and the weight this saves has been used to put extra material into the swingarm to increase stiffness.
As with the Cannondale Rize, all the metal links and mountings are forged then machined.
Stiffness stuffness...
The replaceable/changeable rear dropouts attach to the stays via chainring bolts and are available in either 12mm "Maxle" thru-axle (no more bolt-tastic Thru-12 back ends) or regular QR dropouts.

That's a big pivot bearing that is.​

There's no "3D Forged Backbone" on the Moto (as found on the Rize) but the designers have done some clever things down in the BB area. The BB shell and lower pivot location are sandwiched between two slim plates of carbon fibre (for visual reference these plates look like the Crank Brothers logo). The "grain" or "fibre alignment" of these plates' carbon fibre material combats the torsional twist forces that come from pedalling.
There's asymmetricality all over the Moto's rear end. As well as asymmetrical chain stays the main pivot bearings are different sizes - the driveside bearing is as big as they can fit in behind chainrings, the non-driveside bearing is mahoosive.

The Diablo headtube up close.​

The Moto has the largest diameter head tube ever used on a Cannondale. It's 66.6mm wide and called... "Diablo" Some Moto models will use a 1.5in steered Fox 36 fork - that is lighter than the 1 1/8th steerered 36 (it's also lighter than the 1.5 to 1 1/8th tapered steerers that Specialized and Trek have introduced). All 2009 production Moto's will run 1.5in forks. Cannondale, ever the closet weight weenies, were keen to highlight that although cheap 1.5in stems are indeed heavier than 1 1/8th stems, mid- to high-end 1.5in stems are in fact lighter than 1 1/8th stems.
The very top end Moto's that use Cannondale's SI (System Integration) BB30 chainset system will have the BB30 bearings mounted inside the frame's 68mm BB shell ie. no external BB bearing cups.
It's worth pointing out that the Moto doesn't have any ISCG mounts - carbon is not a good material for this. So if you want to run a chain device you'll have to get one of the Moto's that use (Shimano) external BB's and run a cup-mounted chain device.
The Suspension
The main pivot placement is relatively low down toward the BB. This makes for less chaingrowth issues as well as a better axle path for bump absoption (technically it also makes for a more pedal-bobby ride but the designers have worked with Fox on a custom-tuned DHX Air to help counteract pedalling induced bob... and other things, more on this later).
The spring rate of the Moto is almost the mirror image of the Cannondale Rize - it's a falling rate spring (not too dissimilar to the Prophet funnily enough). It was felt that a falling rate design was better suited to "Big Mountain" riding and longer travel bikes.

The "Hatchet" Drive linkage system.​

It's very falling rate at the pre-sag point of the stroke for small bump and traction-y stuff. If there was a completetly linear spring being used the end of the suspension stroke would also be a very falling rate but by using a custom-tuned Fox DHX Air shock (with a slightly smaller main spring air chamber) they have achieved a slight rise to end of spring rate which nicely "mutes" the suspension bottom out without feeling like the travel is being limited.
The linkage system has been dubbed the "Hatchet" because if you squint a bit and tilt your head over it looks a bit like an axe.

Just like a bad holiday tan, it's the white bits that stand out.​

The Maverick - sorry, Crank Bros up n' downy seat post.​

Asymmetry is where it's at for the Moto's swing arm.​

Replaceable/changeable bolt-on dropouts.​

Chunky chain stays.​

A very un-Cannondale-like shock mount and linkage.​

1.5in steerer Fox 36 Talas RC2 with tool-free bolt-thru - WOOP! ​

STW faves - Magura Louise brakes, FSA Gravity bars, Sram XO shifters and Cannondale Grind locking grips.

 

Otia, en hibike tienen unos acid de ese verde, la edicion especial del eurobike, son peores que los mios todavia.

Me quedo sin perimetral mañana? con la luna que va a hacer y encima sin nardi? hay que joderse....

Hacemos una cosa, si mañana os cuelgo un video digno de perimetral la hacemos ¿vale?

 

First of all we bring you the lowdown on the new Cannondale Rize. It's a 130mm "Long Travel Trail" bike. It's not aluminium. It's not a single pivot. But it's still very much a product of Cannondale.

Who can remember 1998? Back then Cannondale had basically one suspension frame design built up in a couple of different ways. Now it's 2008 and after the past few years of mountain bike nichification (is that even a word?) Cannondale have six different types of fully boinged frame - each with a different amount of travel and its own niche or application... Scalpel = 100mm "XC Race" bike
Rush = 110mm "Marathon" bike
Perp = 160-200mm "Freeride" bike
Justice = 220mm "Downhill" bike
And now there is the "Rize" - a 130mm "Long Travel Trail" bike (you'll have to wait for our next report about their other new 6th full-susser).

The new Cannondale Rize.​

So yes, the Prophet is no longer part of Cannondale's range. Apparently the Prophet was "ahead of its time" - which is marketing speak for a bike that confused the consumer and didn't sell as well as expected. So if you want one of those (and they're one of our favourite ever bikes by the way) you'd better act fast...
What's the new Cannondale Rize bike all about then?
One way of understanding what the Rize is for is to list some of its perceived competitors from other manufacturers: the Specialized Stumpjumper, the Scott Genius and the Trek Fuel EX. So we guess it's "just" a bike for normal trail riding and having fun on.

The usual 1.5in headtube but now using direct bearing mounting.​

The Frame
There will be two frame flavours of the Rize - carbon and aluminium (although the aluminium Rize's will stay have carbon seat stays). The aluminium version weighs about 450g more.
One of the main goals in designing the Rize was to make a stiffer bike than the Prophet. Although a bit of chassis flex is arguably quite desirable when riding rough ground (especially at speed and/or downhill) it was felt that for the Rize a stiffer feel at the rear for pedalling was required (the Prophet's front end was plenty stiff enough for great steering and handling feel). The main point of note at the front is that the headset bearings are situated directly into the headtube with separate cups. This is to keep the front end nice and low.
It wouldn't be a Cannondale launch without various exotic bits of aluminium being passed around. The most impressive bit was the "3D Forged Backbone" - which is compromised of the bottom bracket shell (68mm), lower shock pivot and a double butted seat tube. Incredibly, this is one single forged item (which is a mightily impressive feat of engineering). After forging this piece it is then slightly machined to remove excess material and then the seat tube is extruded to achieve the double butting, Extruding actually lengthens the seat tube and stretches the "grain" of the aluminium in a desirable direction. Making the 3D Forged Backbone this way is expensive but you end up with a lighter object, weld-free, stiffer and stronger.
The seat stays are made of carbon with metal bits used as and when required ie. at the bearing points (which are all sealed cartridge bearings by the way). If you were to remove the carbon seat stay "wishbone" you would see that its tips are slightly wider than when it is in the frame - squeezing the tips together upon assembly puts the specifically woven carbon under slight compression which increases the lateral stiffness. The chain stays are flattened along their top and bottom sides to reduce rear end "wag" under pedalling load.
Using a swanky machine in Cannondale's factory the designers can test 15 separate points of stiffness on a bike frame. The Rize passes all these tests with flying colours. They admit that there are other bikes that are as stiff (the Santa Cruz Blur for example) but none that are as light as the Rize.
Cannondale do a lot of computer design and simulation when designing a new frame (and they seemed keen to emphasize that this itself is a skill rather than just a tool). They also do a whole lot of real world testing AKA "riding bikes". Over 100 frames are made and destroyed per new frame design.
The Rize has slightly slacker head angle and seat angle to the Cannondale Rush and a slightly higher bottom bracket. Aside from that, the rest of the geometry (tube lengths, stay clearance etc) is very similar.
For all you lanky gets out there, the XL sized frames have a slightly longer head tube than other sizes.
The Suspension
Yep, the Rize is a linkage-driven single pivot design. Designs like this can offer increased lateral stiffness - as there's an extra point of frame "anchorage" between the rear wheel and the main frame (although the bearings have to be very good because there's a lot more potential for slop developing). The aluminium swinglink is forged then machined.
The other thing a linkage can do when it's inserted between the rear swingarm and the shock is alter the spring rate of the suspension at different points in its travel. The spring rate of the Rize is broadly a rising rate (geddit?). The idea of using a rising spring rate is to improve pedalling performance.
It was felt that the falling rate of the Prophet was overly geared toward bump absoption than pedalling and a little out-of-sync with modern air shock's spring rate (which aren't as progressive as they used to be).
Having said that, due to the swinglink, at the extremes of travel the spring rate is actually slightly falling rate. From 0mm to the sag point the falling rate helps keeps things supple for smaller, traction-y stuff. And at the end of the travel the falling rate should deal with bigger hits better (where bump absorption is more important that pedalling).
Regarding chaingrowth stuff it is still essentailly a single pivot so the chainrings also play a part in how the suspension behaves during pedalling. In granny ring (when you'll be climbing up steep stuff) there is a bit of pedal-induced suspension "jack" to help dig the rear wheel into the ground for traction. In middle and big chainrings pedalling shouldn't much affect how the suspension compresses - the swinglink-induced rising rate does that stuff.
In a lot of ways all this is to achieve a suspension action similar to mid-travel Virtual (or Floating) Pivot Point bikes but without so much chaingrowth pedal feedback that is common to those designs.
For all you midgets out there, the smallest size frame has slightly different positioned swinglink and pivot points to achieve a softer suspension.

The phrase "like herding cats" was invented for. MTB journos being kitted out with new bikes.​

That new swinglink close up.​

The dipped top tube looks a lot like the one on the Rush.​

The seat stay pivot doesn't rotate much but it was preferred over the "bendy" stays option.​

There'll be quite a bit of colour-coordinated componentry on higher end Rize's.​

Top end Rize's will have Cannondale's BB30 chainsets (other models will use Shimano).​

The swinglink and Fox RP shock from the other side.​

The BB end of the "3D Forged Backbone".​

The Rize uses an asymmetrical swingarm.​

More white goods.​

Yes, the saddle quickly went "off-white" and that post got scratched.

 

Vereeeemooooosssss....

 

Pol esa canon negra si que esta guapaaaaaaaaaaa

 

Haced lo que mejor os venga, ho.
A mi tambien me cunde mas perimetral (Tipo una que hice con Jose: C.S-Brañes-hipico-fologüeres-Filandesa), pero si os va mejor empezar antes pospongo mi nocturna pa la semana que viene.

 

pos amí la verde con llantucas blancas me pone.....mola muso

si me toca mañana la primi le pego un tlfonazu a paco

 

Lo siento colega, pero no creo que tengas los mismos números que yola2