¿A probado alguien el amortiguador Marzocchi Roco 3PL?

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    FOX RP23 vs. Marzocchi ROCO 3PL - comparison on a Meta 5.5
    « on: April 27, 2008, 10:24:21 PM »
    Hi guys,

    in this post I will try to share my experience with the rear shocks mentioned in the title on my Commencal Meta 5.5. The shocks I used are:
    1) Fox Float RP23, 2007 model. This is the one that comes with the 2007 VIP Meta 5.5. If I'm not wrong the shock comes with compression damping set to level 2 and the rebound damping also set to level 2.
    2) Marzocchi ROCO 3PL, model 2008.

    Since I'm addicted to suspension shocks, both front and rear, some months ago I decided to give the ROCO 3PL a try. It has some nice features, at least on the paper, like adjustable compression, lock out lever, high volume air chamber and being a Zoke, it should be butter smooth. Another nice thing is that the new Zoke rear shocks use the same bushing reducers, so the swap was very easy (no new reducers required). The weight of the RP23 is around 244 grams, and the ROCO toped the scale at around 365 grams. You will add 110 grams with the ROCO, which is quite some weight in my opinion. So if you want to lighten your ride, you need to look somewhere else, probably a DT Swiss carbon shock. Also the ROCO is more colorful and well oversize compared to the RP23, which can add a bit of bling to your bike

    I don't have too much ridding time on the ROCO, but I managed to get an idea what this shock can be capable of. The ROCO and the RP23 are very different animals, and my opinion is that they are intended for different types of riding. One thing I didn't like with the RP23 was the rebound damping, which I find pretty hard to set up. with the rebound full open, I had lot of feedback on small jumps or going down stairs (basically I was feeling how the rear wheel was pushing back after compression). On fast descents it fell nice and the rear was quite active absorbing almost all bumps. If I was trying to set the rebound slower such that the bike was felling good on stairs or small jumps, the rear was feeling very sluggish on fast descents. In fact my rebound setting was 5-7 clicks from full open. Riding the ROCO was a totally different experience. The shock is so active. You just need one ride to realize how much platform the RP23 has. Since the shock has a bigger air chamber, you need to run less pressure than the RP23 and this makes the mid travel of the shock wonderful. However what I like the most on the shock is the rebound damping. It is almost perfect (at least for me). I have the feeling the rear wheel is even more glued to the ground on fast descents, with no kick back on jumps or stairs. Seems that Zoke have a better rebound valve for high speed damping, or they are using lighter oil ... One problem with the shock is that ramps up a lot in the end of the travel and I didn't manage to bottom the shock yet, still ~3mm to go till full travel. Well I didn't do very very high jumps so, hard to say, but definitely the shock bottoms out harder than the RP23. The second thing I don't like is the lockout lever. It is quite rubbish. It doesn't have a good feel and it is a bit too long in my opinion. The ProPedal lever has a very positive feel, more mechanic. The good part is that you have a lockout lever, which is doing the perfect job for me (despite the flimsy fell of the lever). Once you lock your shock the bike start to behave as a HT, and being a compression lockout means that if you unweight the shock, you will have less and less SAG. This puts the bike in a nice XCish position; saddle high, stepper head angle, full power in the rear. I must say I love it. You can really go faster on the fire roads and on steep climbs. Of coarse you lose some traction so having the sock locked on technical, rough sections is not good.

    So one might think the ROCO is a lot better than the RP3, but as I mentioned before, they are intended for different purposes. With the ROCO on, the Meta is bobing quite a lot. Adding more compression is not really helping. And I can say I can pedal quite good. I can pedal fast and I can keep a constant cadence for a long time. Anyway, it is not that bad, but you can feel the difference between the ROCO and the RP23. I think the RP23 is perfect all round trail riding (a bit over damped, but this is what most rear suspensions need ). It is more a less a set and forget shock. And works great. However, if you want that edge, you do more downhills, you don't mind moving your hand a lot more during the ride (to lock the shock) and you don't know how to add weight to your bike, then the ROCO is a wise choice for the Meta. If I would have a Meta 666, then the ROCO would be the first thing to upgrade on it. It really give me the fell of a coil shock.

    Anyway, here are two pics pf both shocks on my Meta 5.5:



    One more thing, as soon as I received the ROCO, I remove the air can, grease and oil all the seals and reassemble the can back. I did this since there have been problems with 2007 ROCO shocks not being lubricated enough leading to broken sealing after few hours of use (Zoke new policy of saving on oil, lol ). Anyway, after I serviced it, the shock has been butter smooth.


    Hope this helps,
    Adrian
     

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