medida radios hope pro2

Tema en 'DownHill' iniciado por z.1man, 9 Feb 2008.

  1. z.1man

    z.1man steve romaniuk

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    meto los datos de las llantas y me salen una pila de nuemeros que en realidad no tengo ni idea de que son ni cuales son los que necesito, haber si alguna amable por ahi puede meter los datos de mis llantas y decirme cual es la medida que necesito.

    http://www.dtswiss.com/ el link es este, en la parte de abajos sale, spoke calculator pues ahi es donde metes los datos.


    es una llanat mavic ex 721 y el buje un hope pro2 trasero. en medida 135

    1 saludo y muchas gracias
     
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    edgar_rua Fantasma

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    No sé que radios necesitas, pero felicitarte por tus ruedas. Hope Pro 2 + 721, es una apuesta ganadora, ;)
     
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    Tienes que introducir el número de radios totales y el número de cruces en cada lado de la rueda, no te olvides.

    Los datos que necesitas son los correspondientes a "Spoke length rounded (included corrections)", tanto para el ala derecha como para el ala izquierda del buje.
     
  4. z.1man

    z.1man steve romaniuk

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    si pero me ponen varios datos, nadie puede hacerlo y decirme que medida debo poner.

    edgar rua: te recomiendo que ahora que estas montando bici si montas llantas ponte unas mavic 721 las llevo hace un año y como nuevas, y ahora mucho mejor ccuando monte los bujes hope
     
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    Rim Type? User defined DT Swiss MTB 26" ROAD/TREKK. 700 C TRIA 650 C TUBULAR 27" 16" - 24" Model? User defined Alesa Explorer Alesa Sputnik Alex XD-Lite Alex Dx32 Alex Supra D Alutech MX 32 Ambrosio Camel Ambrosio Quorum Araya RM 17 Araya RM 395 Araya RM 400 Pro Atomic Loboratories Bike Tech C18 Bontrager BCR1/2 Bontrager Mustang (Tubel.) Bontrager Red Label Campa Aconcagua Campa Atek Campa Everest Campa K2 Campa Stehno Campa Zark Club Roost Alex Conbrio MT 500 Conbrio MT 710 Conbrio MT 900 Cortina DH 26" FIR Downhill FIR EA 10 FIR MS 29 FIR W 420 Intense Mag 30 DH Matrix Mt. Titan Mavic 117 Mavic 121 Mavic 217 Mavic 220 Mavic 221 Mavic 223 Disc Mavic 225 Mavic 231 Mavic 261 Mavic 281 Mavic Crossmax Classic 26/28 h Mavic EX 721 (D521) Mavic EX 729 (D321) Disc Mavic EX 823 (D3.1) UST Disc (16mm!) Mavic X517 Mavic X618 Mavic XC 717 Mavic XC 717 (X317) Disc Mavic XM 321 (F219) Disc Mavic XM 719 (F519) Mavic XM 819 (X3.1) UST (16mm!) Mavic XM 819 (X3.1) UST Disc (16mm!) Point Racing Rigida Aries Rigida DH 30 Rigida DP 2000 Rigida DP 22 Rigida DP 25 Rigida Grizzly Rigida Grizzly Disc Rigida Laser 42 Rigida Taurus Disc Rigida Tubeless Rigida Tucana R Rigida Turbo 90 Rigida XC 420 Rigida Zac 19 MTB 545.5 - - Ritchey Disc OCR Ritchey OCR Comp Ritchey OCR Pro Ritchey OCR WCS Ritchey Rock 395 Ritchey Rock Comp Ritchey Rock Pro Ritchey Rock WCS Ritchey Vantage Comp Ritchey Vantage Pro WCS Schürmann Skyline Snow Cat Specialized GX 23 Specialized Z 21 Sun 0° XC Sun Big Mammoth Fat Sun CR 16 Sun Ditch Witch 26" Sun Double Track 26" Sun Double Wide 26" Sun DS1-XC Sun DS2-XC Sun M14A Sun Rhyno Sun Rhyno Lite 26" Sun Single Track 26" Sun Single Wide 26" Syncros Syncros Grizzly Syncros Grizzly disc Tioga DH THE Eliminator (incl. 2mm) Velocity Deep V Velocity/Shogun Stampede Vuelta Excalibur FR Disc Vuelta Tandem Plus 559x21 Weinmann Stukka WTB Power Beam
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    Hub Type? User defined DT Swiss Other Model? User defined AC APX front 100mm Acros Rock & Roll front 100mm Alutech disc front 100mm Alutech disc front DH 110mm American Classic disc front 100mm Bees Helium front 100mm Bees Std. front 100mm Bontrager Race front 100mm by DT Bontrager Race Lite front100mm by DT Bullseye front 100mm Campa front 100mm Campa Record Classic front 100mm Campa Record Highflange front 100mm Coda 900 / 901 front 100mm Coda disc front 100mm Coda Expert disc front 100mm Coda Lefty disc front Coda Moto disc front Corratec Carbon disc front 100mm Corratec Jumper front 100mm Decathlon front 100mm by DT Swiss Dengler front 100mm Edco front 100mm Fimoco front 100mm Formula by DT Swiss front 100mm Formula by Edco front 100mm Formula disc front 100mm Formula front DH 110mm Funn Big Bertha front 100mm Giant disc front 100mm Grimeca disc front DH 110mm GT front 100mm Hadley H500 front DH 110mm Hanebrink LT 8 front disc DH Hayes Elite Disc front 100mm Hayes Elite Disc front DH 110mm Hayes Superlite Disc front 100mm Heylight disc front 100mm Heylight front 100mm Heylight front 'mini' 100mm Hope Pro 2 Front QR Hope Pro 2 Front 20mm Hope Pro 2 Front Maverick Hope XC Front Hope Mono Front Hope Mono Front Suspension Hope Bulb Front QR Hope Bulb Front 20mm Hope Big'un Front QR Hope Big'un Front 20mm Hügi/Union front Std. 100mm Hügi/Union/Marwi front Susp. 100mm Inferno Disc front 100mm Intense Disc DH front 110mm King 20mm Disc IS 2000 front 110mm King BMX front King Classic Mountain front 100mm King Classic Road front King DiscGoTech front 100mm King iso front disc IS 2000 100mm King single speed front 100mm King Tandem Hub front 100mm King Universal disc front 100mm Magura Comp IS 2000 front 100mm Magura Comp IS 2000 front DH 110mm Magura Fun IS 2000 front 100mm Magura Gustav M 99 front 100mm Magura Gustav M 99 front DH 110mm Magura Gustav M front IS 2000 100mm Magura Gustav M front IS 2000 DH 110mm Magura Pro IS 2000 front 100mm Magura/Sram Louise 99 front 100mm Manitou EFC front t.a. non-disc Marzocchi QR 20 + disc front Marzocchi QR 20 disc front Marzocchi QR 20 front Mavic 531 front 100mm Mavic 577 front 100mm Mavic Paris-Dakar front 100mm Maxx front 100mm NC 17 disc front 100mm NC 17 disc front DH 110mm Pace Carbon front 100mm Paul Singlespeed front 100mm Phil Wood HR Freewheel 135mm Pmp front 100mm Point disc front TA 110mm Pure Power front 100mm Real disc front 100mm Renak Hubdynamo front 100mm Ringle Abbah DH front 110mm Ringle Abbah XC front 100mm Ringle Bubba front 100mm Ringle Bubba HR Freewheel 135mm Ringle Sun of Bubba front 100mm Ringle Super Bubba front 100mm Ringle Super Dupper Bubba fr. 100mm Ritchey disc Pro Shraxle front 100mm Roox Jim Bob front 99 DH 110mm RPM front 100mm Sachs Quarz disc front 100mm Sachs Standard front 100mm Shimano (XT) disc 6-bolt front 100mm Shimano (XTR) disc centerlock front 100mm Shimano Deore front FH-M510 100mm Shimano Dura Ace FH-7800 front 100mm Shimano Dura Ace Track front Shimano front 100mm Shimano Hubdynamo disc HB-NX70 fr. 100mm Shimano Hubdynamo Inter L fr. 100mm Shimano Nexave front 100mm Shimano Saint front 110mm Shimano XTR '03 front 100mm Shogun Little Sumo front 100mm Shogun Zero Carbon front 100mm SON Hubdynamo disc front 100mm SON Hubdynamo front 100mm Specialized Disc front 6-hole 100mm Specialized front Y2K 100mm by DT Specialized skraxle fr. 100mm by DT Specialized Stout front 100mm Speed Tec disc front 100mm Speed Tec front 100mm Spot SingleSpeed front 100mm Spot SingleSpeed front disc 100mm Sram 9.0 disc front 100mm Sram 9.0 front 100mm Suntour Microlite front 100mm Suntour Superbe/XC 9000 front Suntour XC Pro front 100mm Surly '02 front 100mm Surly 1x1 front 100mm Suzue front Highflange Syncros Hardcore front 100mm TNT front 100mm Tomo front 100mm Tune King disc front '99 DH 110mm Tune King disc IS 2000 front 100mm Tune King Gustav M 99 front 100mm Tune King Louise 99 front 100mm Tune King MK disc IS 2000 front DH 110mm Tune MIG 66 front 100mm Tune MIG 75 front 100mm Tune Sandwitch front 100mm Union/Marwi WingIII front White I. CHUP disc front DH 110mm White I. Hayes disc front DH 110mm White Industries disc front 100mm White Industries Phant.Ti fr. 100mm White Industries Tracker front 100mm Woodman Bill Lefty front WTB front 100mm XS BMX front 100mm XS BMX front HighFlange 100mm Yasek front 100mm
    Pitch circle diameter le. mm ri. mm
    Flange distance le. mm ri. mm
    Ø of spoke hole mm g
    Spokes le. DT Competition 2.0/1.8 DT Revolution 2.0/1.5 DT Supercomp 2.0/1.7/1.8 DT Aerolite 2.0/0.9*2.3 DT Champion 2.0 DT New Aero 2.0/1.0 DT Aero Speed 1.8/1.2 DT Revolution 1.8/1.5 DT Competition 1.8/1.6 DT Champion 1.8 DT Alpine III DT Champion 2.34 ri. DT Competition 2.0/1.8 DT Revolution 2.0/1.5 DT Supercomp 2.0/1.7/1.8 DT Aerolite 2.0/0.9*2.3 DT Champion 2.0 DT New Aero 2.0/1.0 DT Aero Speed 1.8/1.2 DT Revolution 1.8/1.5 DT Competition 1.8/1.6 DT Champion 1.8 DT Alpine III DT Champion 2.34
    No. of spokes
    No. of intersections le. ri.
    Nipple le. Nipples on the left side? DT Alu 2.0 / 12mm DT Alu 2.0 / 14mm DT Alu 2.0 / 16mm DT Pro Loc Alu Hexagonal 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 12mm DT Messing 2.0 / 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 16mm DT Alu 1.8 / 12mm DT Alu 1.8 / 14mm DT Alu 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 1.8 / 12mm DT Messing 1.8 / 14mm DT Messing 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 2.34 / 12mm DT Messing 2.34 / 14mm DT Messing Hexagonal 12mm DT Messing Hexagonal 16mm ri. Nipples on the right side? DT Alu 2.0 / 12mm DT Alu 2.0 / 14mm DT Alu 2.0 / 16mm DT Pro Loc Alu Hexagonal 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 12mm DT Messing 2.0 / 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 16mm DT Alu 1.8 / 12mm DT Alu 1.8 / 14mm DT Alu 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 1.8 / 12mm DT Messing 1.8 / 14mm DT Messing 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 2.34 / 12mm DT Messing 2.34 / 14mm DT Messing Hexagonal 12mm DT Messing Hexagonal 16mm
    Spoke length
    precise le. 258.50 mm ri. 260.30 mm
    rounded
    (incl. Corrections) le. 258 mm ri. 260 mm
    Weight front n/a

    Rim Type? User defined DT Swiss MTB 26" ROAD/TREKK. 700 C TRIA 650 C TUBULAR 27" 16" - 24" Please choose hub type.. User defined Alesa Explorer Alesa Sputnik Alex XD-Lite Alex Dx32 Alex Supra D Alutech MX 32 Ambrosio Camel Ambrosio Quorum Araya RM 17 Araya RM 395 Araya RM 400 Pro Atomic Loboratories Bike Tech C18 Bontrager BCR1/2 Bontrager Mustang (Tubel.) Bontrager Red Label Campa Aconcagua Campa Atek Campa Everest Campa K2 Campa Stehno Campa Zark Club Roost Alex Conbrio MT 500 Conbrio MT 710 Conbrio MT 900 Cortina DH 26" FIR Downhill FIR EA 10 FIR MS 29 FIR W 420 Intense Mag 30 DH Matrix Mt. Titan Mavic 117 Mavic 121 Mavic 217 Mavic 220 Mavic 221 Mavic 223 Disc Mavic 225 Mavic 231 Mavic 261 Mavic 281 Mavic Crossmax Classic 26/28 h Mavic EX 721 (D521) Mavic EX 729 (D321) Disc Mavic EX 823 (D3.1) UST Disc (16mm!) Mavic X517 Mavic X618 Mavic XC 717 Mavic XC 717 (X317) Disc Mavic XM 321 (F219) Disc Mavic XM 719 (F519) Mavic XM 819 (X3.1) UST (16mm!) Mavic XM 819 (X3.1) UST Disc (16mm!) Point Racing Rigida Aries Rigida DH 30 Rigida DP 2000 Rigida DP 22 Rigida DP 25 Rigida Grizzly Rigida Grizzly Disc Rigida Laser 42 Rigida Taurus Disc Rigida Tubeless Rigida Tucana R Rigida Turbo 90 Rigida XC 420 Rigida Zac 19 MTB 545.5 - - Ritchey Disc OCR Ritchey OCR Comp Ritchey OCR Pro Ritchey OCR WCS Ritchey Rock 395 Ritchey Rock Comp Ritchey Rock Pro Ritchey Rock WCS Ritchey Vantage Comp Ritchey Vantage Pro WCS Schürmann Skyline Snow Cat Specialized GX 23 Specialized Z 21 Sun 0° XC Sun Big Mammoth Fat Sun CR 16 Sun Ditch Witch 26" Sun Double Track 26" Sun Double Wide 26" Sun DS1-XC Sun DS2-XC Sun M14A Sun Rhyno Sun Rhyno Lite 26" Sun Single Track 26" Sun Single Wide 26" Syncros Syncros Grizzly Syncros Grizzly disc Tioga DH THE Eliminator (incl. 2mm) Velocity Deep V Velocity/Shogun Stampede Vuelta Excalibur FR Disc Vuelta Tandem Plus 559x21 Weinmann Stukka WTB Power Beam
    Diameter / ERD mm g
    Hub Type? User defined DT Swiss Other Model? User defined AC APX rear 135mm Acros Rock & Roll rear 135mm Alutech disc rear 135mm Alutech disc rear t.a. 165mm Alutech disc singlespeed rear 135mm American Classic disc rear 135mm Ariel rear 135mm Bees Helium rear 130mm Bees Helium rear 135mm Bees Std. rear 135mm Bontrager Race Lite rear135mm by DT Bontrager Race rear 135mm by DT Bullseye rear 135mm Campa 8-speed rear 130mm Campa 9/10-speed rear 130mm Campa Record Classic rear 126mm Campa Record Highflange rear 126mm Campa Record track rear 120mm Campa Tandem 7-speed rear 140mm Cannondale Disc Brake rear 135mm Cannondale Expert (Taiwan) rear 130mm Cannondale rear 130mm by DT Swiss Cannondale rear 135mm by DT Swiss Coda DT Hügi'98 disc rear 135mm Coda Expert disc rear 135mm Corratec Carbon disc rear 135mm Corratec Jumper rear 135mm Danny´s rear Hub t.a. 12/165mm Decathlon rear 130mm by DT Swiss Decathlon rear 135mm by DT Swiss Dr Bomb head spin Disc rear 135mm Edco competition Tandem rear 140mm Edco rear 135mm Footwork disc rear t.a. 165mm Formula by DT Swiss rear 135mm Formula by Edco rear 135mm Formula disc rear 135mm Giant disc rear 135mm Goldtec-Ti rear 135mm Grimeca disc rear 135mm GT rear 135mm Hadley Arai rear 160mm Hadley rear t.a. 12mm 135mm Hadley Santa Cruz rear t.a.14mm160mm Hayes Elite Disc rear 135mm Hayes Superlite Disc rear 135mm Heylight disc rear 135mm Heylight rear 135mm Hope Pro 2 rear 135mm Hope Pro 2 rear 150mm Hope XC rear Hope Mono Rear 130mm Hope Mono Rear 135mm Hope Bulb Rear 135mm Hope Bulb Rear 150mm Hope Big'un Rear 135mm Inferno disc rear 135mm King BMX rear 110mm King Classic rear Mtn. 135mm King Classic rear Road 130mm King Classic Tandem rear 140mm King Classic Tandem rear 145mm King Classic Tandem rear 160mm King DiscGoTech rear 135mm King DiscGoTech rear 140mm King DiscGoTech rear 145mm King iso rear disc IS 2000 135mm King rear disc 140mm King rear disc 145mm King single speed disc rear 135mm King single speed rear 135mm King Tandem Hub rear 145mm King Tandem Hub rear 160mm King Universal disc rear 135mm Kingsberry rear Freewheel 135mm Magura Comp IS 2000 rear 135mm Magura Fun IS 2000 rear 135mm Magura Gustav M 99 rear 135mm Magura Gustav M rear IS 2000 135mm Magura Pro IS 2000 rear 135mm Magura/Sram Louise 99 rear 135mm Mavic 531 rear 135mm Mavic 577 rear 135mm Mavic Paris-Dakar rear Freewheel 130mm Miche Track rear NC 17 disc rear 135mm Nicolai Nucleon FR 165mm 12mm t.a. Nicolai Nucleon NC 17 95mm 20mm t.a. Nuke Proof front 100mm Nuke Proof rear Cass. 135mm Nuke Proof rear Freewheel 135mm Paul Singlespeed disc rear 135mm Paul Singlespeed rear 135mm Pmp rear 130mm Point rear 135mm Ringle Abbah LW DH rear TA Ringle Abbah SOS rear 135mm Ringle Lawwill rear 165mm 12mm t.a. Ringle Super Bubba rear 135mm Ringle Super Dupper8 rear 135mm Ritchey disc Pro rear 135 mm Rohloff Speed Hub 500/14 Rollex Freecoaster BMX rear 110mm Roox Jim Bob rear 135mm Rotwild Schweizer Loop Inter-4 135mm RPM rear 135mm Sachs 3x7 (disc/non-disc) rear 135mm Sachs Inter 12 rear Sachs Pentasport rear Sachs Quarz disc rear 135mm Sachs rear 135mm Sachs Super 7 rear Sachs Torpedo 3-Gang rear Scott disc rear 135mm Shimano (XT) disc 6-bolt rear 135mm Shimano (XTR)(disc) centerlock rear 135mm Shimano Dura Ace FH-7800 rear 130mm Shimano Inter 4 rear Shimano Inter 7 rear Shimano Nexave rear 135mm Shimano rear 130mm Shimano rear 135 mm Shimano Saint rear 135mm Specialized Disc rear 135mm Specialized Disc rear 6-hole 135mm Specialized rear Hügi'98 by DT Specialized rear Y2K 130mm by DT Specialized rear Y2K 135mm by DT Speed Tec disc rear 135mm Speed Tec rear 130mm Speed Tec rear 135mm Spot SingleSpeed rear 135mm Spot SingleSpeed rear disc 135mm Sram 9.0 disc rear 135mm Sram 9.0 rear 135mm Sram Dual Drive 27/24 Sram Dual Drive 27/24 disc brake Sram Dual Drive 27/24 i-brake Sram Sparc Sram Spectro P5 MH5205 Sram Spectro P5 MH5215 Sram Spectro P5 MH5225 Sram Spectro S7 MH7205 Sram Spectro S7 MH7215 Sram Spectro S7 MH7225 Sram Spectro T3 MH3105 Sram Spectro T3 MH3115 Sram Spectro T3 MH3125 Sunn rear 135mm by DT Swiss Suntour Superbe/XC 9000 rear Suntour XC Pro rear Surly '02 rear 135mm Surly 1x1 rear 135mm Suzue rear Highflange TNT BMX rear TNT rear 135mm Tune Kong disc IS 2000 rear 135mm Tune Kong Gustav M 99 rear 135mm Tune Kong Louise 99 rear 135mm Tune MAG rear 130mm Tune MAG rear 135mm White I. Hayes disc rear 135mm White Ind.Phant. Schraub rear White Industries Phantom rear 135mm WTB rear Freewheel 135mm XS BMX rear 110mm XS BMX rear HighFlange 110mm
    Pitch circle diameter le. mm ri. mm
    Flange distance le. mm ri. mm
    Ø of spoke hole mm g
    Spokes le. DT Competition 2.0/1.8 DT Revolution 2.0/1.5 DT Supercomp 2.0/1.7/1.8 DT Aerolite 2.0/0.9*2.3 DT Champion 2.0 DT New Aero 2.0/1.0 DT Aero Speed 1.8/1.2 DT Revolution 1.8/1.5 DT Competition 1.8/1.6 DT Champion 1.8 DT Alpine III DT Champion 2.34 ri. DT Competition 2.0/1.8 DT Revolution 2.0/1.5 DT Supercomp 2.0/1.7/1.8 DT Aerolite 2.0/0.9*2.3 DT Champion 2.0 DT New Aero 2.0/1.0 DT Aero Speed 1.8/1.2 DT Revolution 1.8/1.5 DT Competition 1.8/1.6 DT Champion 1.8 DT Alpine III DT Champion 2.34
    No. of spokes
    No. of intersections le. ri.
    Nipple le. Nipples on the left side? DT Alu 2.0 / 12mm DT Alu 2.0 / 14mm DT Alu 2.0 / 16mm DT Pro Loc Alu Hexagonal 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 12mm DT Messing 2.0 / 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 16mm DT Alu 1.8 / 12mm DT Alu 1.8 / 14mm DT Alu 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 1.8 / 12mm DT Messing 1.8 / 14mm DT Messing 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 2.34 / 12mm DT Messing 2.34 / 14mm DT Messing Hexagonal 12mm DT Messing Hexagonal 16mm ri. Nipples on the right side? DT Alu 2.0 / 12mm DT Alu 2.0 / 14mm DT Alu 2.0 / 16mm DT Pro Loc Alu Hexagonal 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 12mm DT Messing 2.0 / 14mm DT Messing 2.0 / 16mm DT Alu 1.8 / 12mm DT Alu 1.8 / 14mm DT Alu 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 1.8 / 12mm DT Messing 1.8 / 14mm DT Messing 1.8 / 16mm DT Messing 2.34 / 12mm DT Messing 2.34 / 14mm DT Messing Hexagonal 12mm DT Messing Hexagonal 16mm
    Spoke length
    precise le. 259.70 mm ri. 258.90 mm
    rounded
    (incl. Corrections) le. 259 mm ri. 259 mm
    Weight rear n/a


    Total weight : n/a

    haber si se ve algo.1 saludo
     

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    buff la q acabo de liar!!!!bueno con radios de 260mm para las 2 ruedas te arreglas.1 saludo
     
  7. bilbobiker

    bilbobiker Invitado

    Para unos bujes Pro II 135mm trasero, de 32 taladros con radiado a tres cruces la longitud es de 259 mm.

    Las medidad de la llana las sacamos del caculador de DT Swiss luego las metemos en el calculador de Hope y te sale esto.

    La medida de cabecillas recomendadas es de 12mm
     

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    z.1man steve romaniuk

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    ivan giant: eso mismo me ha pasado a mi al intentar pegar lo de la pagina de dt-swiss, jajaj.

    bilbobiker: muchas gracias, cuando este montada ya pondre unas fotillos por aqui, junto con la travis.
     
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    Gracias por el consejo, ;)

    El problema está en que estoy algo arrestado de presupuesto, y quise poner una horquilla buena (888 rc2xva de 2007), y voy a sacrificar un poco en ruedas y algún componente, porque prefiero tener buenas suspensiones y frenos y un aro un poco peor, ya os enseñaré mi humilde montaje, cuando empiece a hacerlo, jeje.

    Saludos.
     
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    bikerhugo eXtReme biKeR ..dh pOwA

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    ei tio no tengo ni idea
    pero te digo k te as montao la llanta de mis sueños
    xd
    es un pepino
     

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